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Liu · Jul 04, 2006, 11:33 AM // 11:33

All the elites are worth something I think. Its just everyone these days is so obsessed with 'builds' and no one really makes their own skill barsa anymore. Me, I love experimenting withall these weird elites and skills.

Also, shove is a knockdown no matter what weapon you're wielding, guess that counts for something.

Winstar · Jul 04, 2006, 03:10 PM // 15:10

LOL, thats about what I was thinking while doing that...but i do think the demands from energy from a sin make shock worse on them than on a warrior. (reference to, 'why not use shock

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trecca · Jul 04, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Trash-elite IMHO

Minus Sign · Jul 05, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

I disagree with you Liu, but thank you for responding with your views.

Firstly, the point of this discussion is to decide if Shove is worthy of calling itself an Elite. All skills have worth, even Glimmering Mark as described previously. No one here questions that a guaranteed knockdown to a touched target is a skill that can see play; the question is whether or not it should be an Elite with all the nerfs that are at present applied to it.

Secondly, I have seen no Shove builds in this or any other forum, and Shove has seen play on my bar. Builds come from people just like you, tinkering with skills to find a combination that works well.

I would be surprised if most or not all of the people replying to this thread have tried this skill. That most find it so obviously lacking suggests that the nerfs applied are not balanced with the benifits of using it.

Which brings us back to point: would removing the Adreniline nerf make shove too powerful? I say no since it still locks out reapplied Frenzy/Flurry combos and the 20 second recycle would shut out spamming. How many people believe this is the best way to buff Shove; how many disaprove?

Dodo The Extinct · Jul 05, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

I`d say Defiant Was Xinrae is much worse than Shove.

I think Shove should stay the way it is for reasons already stated.